In episode four of the podcast, we sat down with Vivien Goldman. Despite her busy schedule, we were able to chat on the phone for about an hour.

You can now read the full transcript from our chat below. 

We made it through the year that was 2017. How did you power through the year of madness that was this last year?

Vivien Goldman: It’s a good question. I don’t whether you saw that Trump just made these disgusting comments about Africa? It’s very important to keep your spirits up so you’ve got the energy to deal with things. Try and not let it eat you up.